You know what's sad is I have a BLACK girlfriend who think it's okay for her husband
to take baths with their daughters. Where the fuk they do that at? I'm so glad I've
NEVER been exposed to such fukkery b/c my family consisted of REAL men.
I HOPE they both have on swimsuits....WOWZERS! You would be surprised how
many men do this ish and think it's okay. I know a Peruvian man who took showers
with his daughter. SICK mofo's. Daddy's dik should NOT be the first dik
you see. Shout out to the REAL women and men who don't play this
sinners casting stones smh..so now all you pieces of shit know whats right from wrong?? im sure after you guys finish staring at this pic...youll get back to the wrong shit you do in your lives,,,motherfuckin crabs in a bucket is what YALL are
I don't like this. Why did he think this was ok .....
MTO - come on now......"even saying that they would call the AUTHORITIES in him."-------IN HIM ????? REALLY ????
Wonder just HOW they were gonna do that ???!!!
In this day an time I thnk that the pic in inappropriate. With so many stories and sickos out there, this pic should have never been poted. Harmless it maybe, but it doesnt look right. If it were a pool instead of a tub, if the child didnt look to be over the age of 5........ sooooo many other things. Removing it , might not even be an option for him. He believes there is nothing wrong.
Ha...when I was younger I toke baths with my mother some nights....and my father other nights...you guys need to calm down...its nothing. ...sexual back in the day that was common in most households..culturally ...he is older....so shut up...
I think it's innocent. It just looks creepy. I can see a mother taking a bath with her baby. But not a father. And definitely not a grand father.. I hope he's not naked underneath those suds lol. It just doesn't look right. Sorry
Again ppl just like to start drama .....half of the ppl really upset. ...is teens...ill admit...she is a bit old..my dad stop bathing with me at six months..but still its being blown out too crazies...ppl bath their kids together...is that nasty
MOTHERS bathe with their children. Sick twisted pedo's bathe with children.
No REAL man wants to sit in the tub with his baby girl sorry. If your Dad
did this to you he's sick & so was your mother for allowing it.
This is inappropriate point blank period! People need to stop posting every fuckin thing on the dam internet! This looks disgusting and young women who have been molested like me is sick to they stomach! I know i am! Nighas dont even take baths! They didnt start til they could bathe with the little innocent kids! SMH TAKE THIS DOWN THIS IS A ABOMINATION AND A TRAP TO MAKE BLACK PPL LOOK DOWN! We aint known for doing shyt like this its mainly the white pedophiles who get 1 year in prison for this shyt! We do not need to be like them! We may get 50 years for drug charges but i would rather be caught selling drugs than to be a sick perverted pedophile thatbis a instant abomination and a instant ticket to hell! TAKE THIS SHYT DOWN GIVING PERVERTS IDEAS!
Eewh - How cunning of him! He's just another Sick, Old, Perv - that has lost his Old Degenerated Mind! He's naked - baby girl is naked,and sitting on his old wrinkled up (wiener) under a Bubbled Bath...! I don't think anyone is going to get into a bubble bath with their shorts on! That child is going to need Psycho-Therapy, later!
SO MUCH IGNORANCE IT HURTS. NOT EVERY MAN IS A CHILD MOLESTER. IT'S HIS GRANDKID, NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S KID. AND FOR GOODNESS SAKES, YES, NAKEDNESS TO AMERICANS ALWAYS HAS TO BE SEXUAL. THAT'S WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY. IN EUROPE MOST KIDS RUN AROUND NAKED W/ ADULTS AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. NO YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR KIDS AROUND EVERYBODY, CLOTHED OR OTHERWISE. BUT DAMN OUR FIRST REACTION TO A PIC LIKE THIS SHOULDN'T BE "OMG CHILDMOLESTER KILL HIM / CASTERATE HIM!" IF THAT'S THE VERY FIRST PLACE YOUR MIND GOES, MAYBE YOU SHOULD WONDER WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, WHILE YOU'RE SITTING BACK JUDGING THIS DUDE.
YES, THE PIC IS AWKWARD AND UNCOMFORTABLE FOR STRANGERS...BUT IN THIS FAMILY IT MIGHT BE OK. AND WHO ARE WE TO TELL THEM WHAT'S OKAY (AS LONG AS NO ONE IS GETTING HURT OR SCARRED.) SMH.
This may have been totally innocent as far as dude's intentions but it's not a good idea on several levels.
This brings up another issue though. Why do some people feel the need to put their business in the street like that? I once knew a girl who was in a facebook fight with her moms. Dysfunctional than a mf...
he may not be molesting her but this gives molesters IDEAS! That girl is sitting onhis lap and I hope he got some boxers on or something bc this girl is waaaaay to old and she do not need to be sitting near a naked older man with his man parts wiggling around! This is gross! Its not about america being perverts its just that its 2013 we got too many pedophiles lurking around and we DO NOT NEED SHYT LIKE THIS ON THE INTERNET! This is messy! Get that girl off his lap! LAWD HELP US!
...and then a person tweeted "...sad we live in a society where our first thought is something perverted"..."when you were younger no one would have looked twice"?????? OMGGG!!!!! FOR REAL???
First of all if the first thought is something perverted then it's probably THE RIGHT THOUGHT. It's called instinct, gut feeling, spidey senses. If anybody's FIRST THOUGHT was 'this is cute", then they need counseling. This grown ass man, who obviously is not one of God has no earthly business in the dang-on tub with his grand child. WTH did you expect society to think?? I don't see a bathing suit on the child, and ain't no telling what grand-nasty did or did not have on under all those damn bubbles. And whatever grown ass person (assuming they were grown, hell it could be another naked grand child taking the pic)...there is no way this can be paralleled with two kids in the tub, at least their physical development is the same. A grown ass man with a grown ass dik and a little child who apparently has nothing on???? Kids are curious, you don't think that little child didn't notice??? There's no explanation for this -- this s h i t is RETARDED and should be arrested
at first i didnt see a problem , then i asked my self would i let my 3 year or 6 year bathe with her grandpa? ummm i dont think so. however i dont think he should be arrested or labeled a child molestor yet, he might be wearing shorts and she might be wearing under wear. maybe that family rocks like that. everybody is entitled to live how they want to. lets wait for a response for the grandpa. btw check out www.ssglifestyle.com
Wow. My mind is whirling. I am wondering what's going on underwater. I am wondering if he has on shorts?? I am wondering who took the photograph and who put it on Facebook (and why?) And why does he have that shyt eating grin on his face??
Mark Zuckerberg needs a new set of rules.
What is this foolery that my eyes have been subjected to? Now, I'm sure the bishop's intentions were good and probably thought that he would be getting praised for bathing with his grandbaby. SMH, Bishop what were you thinking?!?1
@Ransomed...please say that s h i t again!!!! NO REAL MAN bathes with his child. If yo daddy did, then he was a nasty mutha....and you were too young to know and yo mammy just wanted him around so she turned a blind-eye.
Hell with all the people that think it's okay...now we know who the damaged goods are on here.
@watercooler...ok, let's talk about Wayne T. Jackson - what grown ass man would allow another grown ass man to lay on top of him???? Don't that sound like the crap that Sandusky was doing at Penn State...laying little kids on top of him. Even the kids didn't like the feel of what was going on. A grown as man naked in the shower with other kids, "horseplaying"???? Yeah that horse was playing alright...this is the kind of stuff people sweep under the rug and when it blows up, you end up with thousands of damaged minds that because of "good intentions" their child was sacrificed.
While I agree you should probably never ignore something that sets your spidey senses off, I disagree that one's first thought is most likely accurate about what one is perceiving. Your first thought is probably influenced heavily by your bias about the subject matter in question.
As one poster pointed out above, in other cultures adults are more affectionate in general and even when it comes to there children may be less "uptight." Long short you should not ignore your instincts but you should evaluate the validity of your minds interpretation because what our mind sees and what is actually there may not always be carbon copy. Our biases and egos are more powerful than people realize.
Nah...can't see it. She doesn't need to be in the tub with Pawpaw...need mama or granny to be showing her the proper way to clean a female body. I don't like to see a man other than Dad changing a little girls pamper either. But that's just me though. Stay out that pocketbook dammit!
Thats whats wrong with lil kids today.......Just cause your mother aint shyt she lets you sit on the GOOD BISHOP lap in the tub......now you all fukked up n the head.....dont know right from wrong......at the tender age of 13 you turned out.......18 you had enough dikk now you gay
To ALL y'all saying this is "ok"....seriously??? Water that expensive where yall live??? Time is that valuable u cant help from outside the tub---clothed???!? This is why some kids are easily molested! U HAVE to teach kids by EXAMPLE whats appropriate and not. And even if he aint molesting her the lines are blurred in her little mind if this is going on. There is NO reason to get IN THAT TUB WITH HER!!! Thank God I had REAL ADULT parents to teach me this...and taking a bath with another child is VERY different from a grown a$$ person!
@Kill the Budda....no my first thought is not heavily influenced by bias about the subject - its my moral compass. The man is a "bishop" and I cannot see justifying his actions based on another countries culture. As a "bishop" he knows the Word of God says that he should not "give the appearance of evil". Let's not even entertain what he was thinking...what about the child? This is how innocence becomes tainted. At any time his actions become questionable especially in a scenario like this, he too is damaged goods to his congregants. I guarantee you depending on their own moral compass, they will look at this man differently.
This is far from jumping to a conclusion. Ask yourself Budda - would you do it? That's the real question.
you really don't know what's being worn in that tub. I remember a mother and friend were on trial for molestation for taking photos of their small girls innocently playing around and a couple didn't have shirts on. one of the mothers took the camera to be developed, and then they were instantly labeled perverts. I never bathed with my grandfather, but I have with my brother, sisters, friends, nephews, niece, mother, father and cousins. I wasn't raised in a household were nudity was automatically a sexual thing. the real shocker here is a black child knowing their grandfather. with the amount of baby dads running around hardly caring, its amazing when any older males in the family are involved. the paternal side of the family is never as involved as the maternal side in the black community. damn shame.
Its surprising that a well known man of the cloth seems clueless regarding such matters...why would he think that it would be okay to have a child, boy or girl, sharing a bath tub with him? At the very least, its extremely inappropriate, if not criminal.
Ugghhh this is horrible! And every one who is saying that its innocent... Need to take a good look at your own childhoods. U might have been molested and not even know it. Dat ish might be buried somewhere in ur subconscious or something.... Cause that right there is some BS!
Granted it might have been thought of as innocent. I mean the creep was bold enough to post it on IG... But that's probably cause its a history of this kind of thing in their family... So it's looked at as normal...
That sh!t is NOT normal... Idc if he is wearing shorts. She's sitting on his lap in the water.... Every one knows a man can catch a hard on from the wind blowing.. So I can't and won't see the innocence in this!
I'm a mother of 2 boys and my husband would not even do this with them... Let alone if I had a daughter... Let alone my Dad trying to have bath time fills
I can see myselfwalkin in on some sh!t like that (innocent or not) and walkin right back out to the kitchen for the butcher knife! Ijs that's not cool smh
The ONLY Person who should be in a tub with a male or female child is the MOTHER or SIBLINGS!
Then after a certain age... Children should shower & bathe themselves....
Tub and Bed are two places that a child SHOULD NOT Be caught in with another person outside the immediate family ~ Sometimes Including the Father and or Boyfriend! Women have to watch those Slimey M.uthaFkers Too
But like many have ALREADY said... Ain't no grown ASS Man gon Trip if he can't take a bath or sleep with a child ~ Unless that M.uthaFker Got Intentions!
No I would not do it and actually I said in my very first post this is a bad idea on several levels so I'm obviously not trying to justify anything.
My point was we should check why we have such a strong negative reaction to anything based on very limited facts.
What do we know?
1) He is in the tub with his granddaughter who appears to be in his lap.
2) A third individual took the picture maybe
3) Someone with access to his account (probably him) posted the picture.
Non of this immediately suggest evil intentions to me specifically because pedifiles do not advertise for good reason. The act, picture and posting show HIGHLY poor judgement, but from the evidence there is absolutely nothing to suggest his intentions one way or another imho.
I brought up culture because culture has to do with perspective. He may be innocently playing with his grand daughter but from our perspective it may be highly inappropriate but from another man's perspective it may not be. What actually matters is the intention, and my point is ignoring intention and going on your sensibilities only can be a dangerous thing.
I am not attacking you. I am asking you to look inward and evaluate your reaction on what you know, but more importantly what you dont....
I don't agree with this picture, but at the same time there is a double standard. I would never agree with something like this going down, but there is no negative connotations when a mother gets in the tub with her child, boy or girl. I don't see anything wrong with that, but there's just something weird about this picture. First because he's her grandfather, not her father. I wouldn't even allow my child, when I have one, to get in the tub with her father, so why would I let her get in the tub with her grandfather?! And then post it on instagram?! People are crazy nowadays. I think most people are upset at this photo because of the stories we hear about everyday and this may have been ok any years ago, but bottom line it is not ok today. He should know better, especially since is a bishop. He knows damn well he should not be in the tub with that little girl, innocent or not, and posting it on instagram when he's supposed to be a man of God. I'm not casting stones at anyone, but if it were my child this never would have went down whether I was present or not.
bitch take yo judgemental ass to church and dont speak on me..ever again in your pointless life..bitch..i said what i said..i dont give a fuck what yo as have to say..u need to take your ass out the country and live among other cultures..so you can see that..or norms is not the norms of everyone else...
There is nothing disturbing about this photo. That is her GRAND DADDY and also a man of the cloth. Why does he have to be a pervert?Because he's in the bath tub with his grand daughter? Y'all should know damn well he most likely has on his briefs, boxers, or trunks. My grand father died before I was born and was also a man of the cloth; I would give anything to have sentimental picture like that with Him. This is completely innocent and the fact that people think it's perverted shows exactly what's on their mind when they think about children ..the only disgusting thing about this photo is the stigma attached to it. If it looks perverted to you, maybe you are the pervert.
@jus4shizzngiggles i feel u ..100%..ppl have so much to say..but turn laugh when a mother is beating her child in public..or when a women is getting her ass kick by her man..but soon as a man post a pic of him in a bath tube with his gandbaby..we all so much to say..if you say him in public..and he was rubing her leg ..would ya ll say a word..funny how the internet gives people balls..i worked as AODC care manger..and never once did people step in for the people that were getting abused...but ya ll say alot over the internet..yet if a 12 year old girl is selling her ass on the coner..you dont call the police..a six year old girl have bruses you say not my problem..smh..lets not only care when over the computer ppl
This picture is all kinds of wrong. In fact, I would go so far as to call this man's demeanor creepy. My brother stopped bathing my neice at a certain age. He taught her early on how to bath herself so he wouldnt have to be the one to do so because for the simple fact that she is a girl. There is nothing appropriate about this picture.
so many typos..typing to fast...I am over this topic..and over this comment..i will not be on here later...to say she is too old is one thing..but to say he is sexually doing something wrong is a whole nother thing..he could be...but this pic is not enough evidence..to say that i know ppl that kids sleep in the bed with them untill sixteen..i dont agree..i dont think its heathy..but thats not my kid...i dont live in that house..i dont know whats going on there...thats my point ..i think the baby is too old to be in the bath with mommmy or daddddy...gender do not shape my world
@Kill The Budda....I'm not feeling attacked, we're just talking about a scenario of what can be, could be and what is/isn't. I wasn't asking the question of would you do it for any other reason than to establish a reasonableness of thinking.
Where you say the strong negative reaction I (may) display is based on very limited facts, there are some things I don't know, but there are also some things that we both know, first we know that this was a bad decision; 2nd we know that the child has no top on and neither does the man; 3rd we know that you wouldn't do it.
To believe that pedophiles do not advertise is somewhat naive. Internet stings catch them up everyday, from white collar males obsessed with teenaged boys to teachers sleeping with teenaged students to blue collar workers snapping pics of people using public restrooms. They not only advertise but they also use signals, like the senator that responded to the foot tap on the floor in a rest stop bathroom.
His actions IMO give the appearance of evil because he is a bishop and people like him, Eddie Long, Joyce Beyers, Creflo Dollar, etc are what is wrong with Christianity and why people can so easily question biblical principle. I'll even back off of what his intentions were, but as my mom used to say...the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Even understanding culture having to do with perspective, that doesn't excuse it either. It just alludes to another culture of confused people out there who thinks this is just ok.
So evaluating myself on what I know, and what I don't know this scenario has left the door open to too many questions when there should be no guessing about what is seen here. I don't disagree with what you are saying yet there is just no intent that can justify the act. He most likely had as much time to change his mind, as he had time to think this scene was just ok.
Old Dirty Geezer. These child molesters today ain't got no shame in their game. I'm sickend by a lot of these Jackleg preachers. Thats why we got to study the bible and know it for ourselves cause these pastors ain't bout sh!t. In these last days God is exposing the preacher and all their dirty little secrets. I bet Creflo Dollar & Eddie Long never thought they would be exposed. But God...
On Sunday morning in front of the congregation, the mother of the child & the grandmother should beat the phuck outta this bastard.. I mean just beat the pure hell outta him.
Smh, ain't sh!t good or remotely cute about a man bathing with a kid, absolutely nothing...
Lawwd Hav Mercy... Ni See This Is Dead Wrong. Had It Not Been For Instgram This Mofo Would Be In Jail If He Would Have Taken Images Like This To Walgreens Or Anywhere Where Films Had To Be Developed. The Police Would Have Been Knocking At His Door With An Arrest Warrant. For Taking Inappropiate Pix Of An Underage Child. He Actually Looks Like A Dirty Old Man. Whur Is This Baby's Caretaker?
Hmm. Personally I wouldnt want my future kids doing that. Its a little odd but even more odd to put it online. I feel like that's a violation of something idk what though lol. My granny would have never let that happen. She would have thought my grandpa was out of his mind lol and he wouldn't have offered anyway
t's something wrong with yall people. I hope he sues Mediatakeout and any other blog for stating he a pedophile without knowing the facts. I seen plenty photos and videos on youtube of "Mothers" in the tub with their babies. I'm sure he was wearing swim trunks, and weren't actually bathing. Probably just having fun with his grand baby. And i'm sure his wife, or the mother's child was there that took the photo. Get a grip people. Just having family time... Just cause yall don't play with your kids, doesn't mean other families shouldn't.
You seem pretty comfortable being dismissive about other people's perspective on a picture that is at best inappropriate by our standards (which is why I would not place myself in this situation) from which any sexual connotations would have one's imagination as a major fuel supply.
I doubt highly that I can say anything that you would be open to at this point.
Seems to me that if we as human beings were even just a tad more open to seeing other people's perspectives, we would have a ton less problems. But maybe I am naive
While it is wrong to bath with a child her age , we can't jump to conclusions. He may have had boxers or swim shorts on in that water, we can't see under the water. I can't say anything bad until he actually says he was fully naked in that water. instagram @ va_viperess
@Kill the Budda
I wouldn't call it dismissive only because the concept is staring me in the face. It's more like to each his own perspective.
We do often see other people's perspective and with an open mind, and my perspective can be disagreed with as with any other perspective. I said I can definitely back off what his intention is/was because that I don't know.
I'm mainly a black and white person and this scenario is a shaded area.
@DetroitKitten. I'm over her rotf @grand-nasty! Yeah, bathing with a man no matter who he is grandfather or not is awkward. I never did with my Dad, no child should see a grown up naked. That's just my opinion.
Yuck, I don't know any man that takes a bath with a small child it's gross. Regardless of the relationship, sex or age, this is soooooooo inappropriate. I would be beyond heated if that happened to my child. There would be some furniture moving going on.
I agree.... Anyone who thinks this pic is ok, was probably molested as a child... Your mind was "conditioned" to think /see nothing wrong with this.
In other culture /countries where it's "normal" for children and adults to be naked together, is where pedophiliah & Incest Started!!
Pedos try to condition society/kids into thinking pics & actions like this is normal/ harmless so that when we see it in reality it's considered norm.
In Europe they are trying to legalize sex between kids and adults.
This is just "another" example!!
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What would be the purpose of getting in the tub with your grandchild and you have on underwear and she has on a swimsuit "bottom"? There is none. It is not a pool. And those bubbles are meant for a bubble bath as in to bathe. Baths are for cleansing/washing.
Molesters use gimmicks to distract children and make them feel comfortable ie; candy, toys, bubbles. Bath time is "fun" for kids and body exploring time for perverts. This picture is wrong on ALL types of levels. I agree the first penis you see as a female should not be a family members. It may be innocent it may not be but him being a man of religion with all that has occurred recently does not help make it better. I'm offended and against this but I would also like to state that this post should not have more outrage or more comments than Coco laying up butt azz naked with her little nephew. Wrong is wrong.
Being that he is a preacher he should of known the consequences b4 posing for a pix such as this. He should have known people r going to judge him!! This is certainly not a
good look for him being that he also is responsible for a congregation. If he does this such as takin a bath with her I can only imagine what other inappropriate acts he may have done.
85% of molestation case involve family members. If its innocent now it won't be for long. This is how it starts. This is in NO WAY appropriate. When was the last time he bathed with a grown woman? Bet he would find that inappropriate.
This should not even be debatable. Oh-he's not a pedo?? Then stop this madness Rev-Pastor-Father-Bishop-Cardinal!!! Inappropriate. Period. If he's bathing with her then Uncle Jody want a tub pic with her so he can too, right? And for those saying "oh it's her granddaddy" I bet if your child said "granddaddy touched me on my ding-a-ling" (b/c I am sure y'all are NOT teaching the proper names of genitalia) y'all wouldn't believe them. I can assure you "knowledge is power."-give the power to your child or pedophiles-you chose
You blacks are ignorant as hell. You can actually tell the people who grew up with no father figures what so ever in their family. First of all there's nothing wrong with this. If the pastor had a sinister idea behind it, then he wouldn't have posted this up. I just don't find anything wrong with it, being that this is his blood. Its pretty sad when you realize blacks also find it offending when a father kiss his child on the lips, being its male or female. No wonder there's a lot of emotionless cold blooded people walking around in the black community. Oh and to the person saying "the only person that should bath with a son or a daughter is a mother or their siblings", why is it any different for a father to bath with his own child?
@rahnyc4 okay see it always gotta be a ignorant bitch up here talking about blacks fuqq what u heard but a GROWN ASS MAN should not be takling a bath with a child this dude got balls and d**k all day a child her age should not see that your ass is ignorant u stupid mutha fuqqa u sound so fuqqin dumb
That just turns my damn stomach. I don't give a damn if he got on a body suit and baby girl got on a swimsuit. She shouldn't be in a damn bathtub with her grandfather or any other male. I don't give a damn what age. So effin inappropriate!!! And I hope somebody got the authorities investigating!!!
Now whoevers on here justifying something as perverted & sickening,has to be quite as jacked in head as he,or as other whos taking the picture;;;I mean there is a lot that is wrong with this,& wether if Pastor or not,pervs have never came with a title..Sorry,but it just doesn't look right to me,& especially how he's sitting there looking all excited & crazed,,May God Bless that kid,cause somethings defenitely not right.
I'm not going to jump to conclusions on anything. I will only tell you what came to mind when I first see this picture. There was a story I heard awhile ago about a married man who always take baths with his little children. His wife thought it was sweet until she walked into the bathroom to find him with a hard on rubbing himself against them. That is the only thing that came to mind. Not how cute this picture was but that disturbing story I had heard. I must ask though, what does him being a man of the cloth have to do with this picture? What does that even mean? Man of the cloth? LOL. Man of the towels is more like it.
Just because he is a preacher doesn't meant jack Sh1t! They are the worst. Having affairs, molesting kids, etc. This is inappropriate. Who would jump in a bathtub with a child unless they had a reason. She is basically on his lap. Grandpa, preacher, uncle, brother, father, you CAN'T trust anyone. Because you think there is no way they wouldn't ever do that, they think they can get away with it. This is not a pool. He needs to get his big azz out that water and go read the bible.
Why would anyone think is appropriate? Thats sick and twisted even if he is not molesting her. There are standards. There really is no legit reason for him being in the tub. I really hope he is not naked underneath that water. I'm done!
All of you's sound unbelievable... 1 ya should just mind your buisness not one of u kno these two from a whole in a wall and ya jus shittin out of ya mouth... Ya'll quick to cast the stone, when no one in this world is perfect... Innocent pic of a man and his child and ya wanna slander his name.... All of you's can go ðŸ’¦ðŸ†âœŠ *fap fap* lames
Its a shame that most people that saw this picture automatically ASSUME this is something sexual and sick. This picture is more then likely 100% innocent not everyone is out to hurt kids get your head out your asses i bet who ever posted the picture wish they didn't because all this anger over it is silly. The smallest thing gets blown out of proportion.
I agree, this could be completely innocent. A picture is worth a 1000 words, and all of them could be wrong. God doesn't condemn bathing with children, but it's the negative and sadistic thoughts behind the actions that are wrong. Okay, so maybe YOU wouldn't let your child take a bath with her grandfather. Maybe YOU don't even know your father, or probably never kissed your father on the lips. The love between grandfathers and fathers with their grandchildren and/or children is important. You could say that maybe one day this girl could be molested, or in another light, have more love and a better understanding of how a man should treat her. We don't know what values they instill in this girl, or if she is fully clothed. It amazes me how people can attack a picture of a minister and his granddaughters and slander his name, yet will comment on one of the MANY grotesque and classless pictures of Rihanna praising her sluttyness. You guys are fucking twisted.
I just don't agree with it, and it makes me slightly uncomfortable to look at it. For a Pastor, especially, it was the wrong call. Whether or not it was innocent is neither here nor there - it is 100% inappropriate for a grown man to be in the tub with a young child, male or female. From a Pastor, I would have expected much better judgment.
Omg yall need to calm down I'm sure he is not naked everybody is not a pervert! Smh I personally feel like that shouldn't be posted on instagram but still not that big of a deal.
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My parents are 35yrs happily married. My dad was a stay home dad at one point. When I showed him this pic he was speechless. He never bathed with ANY OF US! this is not about pervs -this is about inappropriate behaviors. If something don't look right then why do it?
You used the words
" It just alludes to another culture of confused people out there who thinks this is just ok. "
You are willing to call other cultures confused over a picture that does not show anything overtly sexual and your opinion was that your initial strong reaction to a picture that is not overtly sexual and reveals nothing about what preceeded or followed the event was probably correct.
If this is not the defintion of dismissive, I'm not sure what is. Now if an explicit sexual act were in this picture and that was ok in some other culture, that would be entirely different.
But even if we cannot agree on this, can we at least agree that even remotely suggesting that a man may have sadistic intentions toward his own grand daughter, when you do not have all the facts, is a very dangerous thing?
I give my daughter baths all the time, but the thought of taking a bath with my daughter has never even crossed my mind. I wouldn't even take a bath with my son if I had one. This is sick and so is the church, that's why I don't go. Christianity is a demonic doctrine...
The question is Why does the Pastor have an instagram account? Why would he post a pic of him in the tub, let alone with a child. I never seen my Pastor half azz naked, pretty unconventional for a man of the cloth. And don't talk that "rev run" ish either. No man so close to God should have any type of account with a social network, so many evils. So he failed. It looks wrong and feels wrong.
@Kill the Budda....ok, it's a dangerous thing. Yet I thought you were using dismissive to say that this wasn't really worth consideration. So again, I still have to consider what's staring me in the face. Yet I'm not sure which is scarier, that it's not overt or that its more covert???
I still don't see a wash cloth or soap or even a sponge, I don't see rubber duckies and floating toys, I neither see champagne glasses and candlelight, nor a sauna or swimming pool, whirlpool or floatation devices, I don't see bath salts or crystals, nor do I see dawn dish washing liquid or tide powder detergent...
1. To "mind our business" is what pedos want.
2. pedos NEVER think they "hurt" childrn when they molest, they think they showing "love"
The only reason why this is NOT ok.... is because only Pedos find this pic ok.
This is sexual , hiding in plain site. This is how it starts! Next it will be bath time while momma's away!...then rubbing on lotion ...etc
It's so easy for pervs to molest children now says with so many gullible mothers and people in this world.
A mother taking a bath with her 3 year old little girl IS Norm.
A mother bathing with her 3 year old son is pushing.....
But a grown ass man with any child he didn't carry for 9 months and push out.....
Never ever ok.
Better be safe than sorry!!!
Im sorry to tell u this but You were as a kid and condition to except this or see this behavior as harmless.
Pedos start on kids younger so that kis see "touchy-feely" games and "daddy and me" bath time as normal so that there is no reason to "tell" cause nothing is "wrong" but considered "normal" behavior at home.
Lip kissing, bathing naked together, and being naked together sound like things only consenting adult couples should do with each other....nothing Disney about that!
Oh its definitely worth considering. The point I was making is that we (myself included) need to examine the reasons behind our reactions to things. Is the reaction truly appropriate, or is it what we were taught. In the case of this subject matter, because of its severely dysfunctional nature it may be hard to be objective especially for people who have been personally affected by it.
Long short the subject matter is a double edge sword. Any reasonable person would be highly concerned about protecting the child. That said, because of the serious nature of this subject and the stigma it carries, rightfully so for guilty individuals but devastatingly so for the wrongfully accused, we need to be careful.
If this child is in trouble with this dude, I would not feel too sorry if he turned up beaten within inches of his life to be honest. At the same time him loosing his lively hood and ending up on a sex offender registry for the rest of his life although he is innocent but extremely naive, stupid etc would be a shame.
@Kill the Budda...I said before that my first reaction is based on my moral compass and no one else. That's the examination of my reaction, intuition, instinct, moral compass, spidey senses all went straight to red alert. It deescalated somewhat - to provide room for "intent". I believe (and that's just me) that the reaction is appropriate. And if perhaps this pic was shown publicly CPS would also have to REACT proactively.
Three cases continue to disturb me: 1) the 15 year old whose father marched him over into a vacant field and made him disrobe, kneel and shot him in the head. Based on apparent false claims of the girlfriend that the 15 year old molested her child/his daughter. 2) a 2 year old still missing and assumed dead at the hands of a father who claims she was abducted in a carjacking. Other children testified about how he would beat the 2 year old with a stick wrapped in duct tape for wetting the bed; one child even said he stuffed her soiled panties in her mouth; 3) a mother on trial for stabbing to death her 8 year old daughter. Mom had upbringing tragedies mental issues and now the court and CPS are trying to cover their asses for not reacting when brought to their attention.
Now we can go through a series of what if's based on what was DISCOVERED in all three cases. Yet if we use what if's in this particular case, isn't it better to be safe than sorry? You admit that this pic shows at the least "severely dysfunctional behavior". Labeled as such at the least, there should be an investigation. Yes it's a double edge sword and protecting the child is first, but the stigma while devastating for the wrongfully accused, is warranted. Why? Because that's what consequences bring when you advertise pics like this. Legally, this requires investigation because that is the system that sets the standards for what is/is not appropriate in sexual offender attitudes.
The reason for bringing up the 3 cases - the first case is what could happen when false claims of abuse are made and unreasonable adults take matters into their own hands even after medical reports indicate the child was not abused. The 2nd case is what happens when attitudes persist in a home where the children and even the mother think its normal behavior to chastise a child who is basically potty training and the 3rd is what happens when the court system is involved but dismissed a families plea for help for the mother.
So if grand-nasty has to deal with the stigma of a sex offender registry, he brought it on himself. Along with public scrutiny, CPS investigation and accusatory looks because of his actions.
Since it's now all over the internet and he's shut down his Instagram and FB here is what his statement is:
Itâ€™s a very dark time and a very hurtful time for my family because what was innocent has become nasty and ugly. My kids were over the weekendâ€¦ I took a bubble bath (the long and short of it). My grand baby who is 4 came in and said â€˜paw paw where you get all the bubbles from?â€ I teased with her and said â€˜I make bubbles, like when you were just a little baby.â€™Asked if she could get inâ€¦ and Javon, her mother, put on her trunks (as I did mine) and she was in the tub 5 minutes I guess.
...so he says - he took a bath and his granddaughter came in. (So is the door open? Is he already in or out of the tub? Probably in...because she asked 'where did YOU get all the bubbles'.) Child asks 'can she get in'? The mother put on her trunks?? (ok, was mom standing there watching him bathe? Since when do little girls wear trunks?) So he goes on to say he bathed with all his kids. (Really???) Then he says Javon took a picture, who is her mother, and one of my family members who has access to my instagram and facebook put it out there and I said â€˜thatâ€™s paw pawâ€™s first lady. (Really? his first lady...) He goes on to say... So it was a totally innocent thing. I know some people never bathe with their kids, Iâ€™ve bathed with all of mine. We I was coming up, we shared bath water. (Bathing with and sharing bathwater is 2 different things). I wouldn't doubt if this was a PR scripted response. Hardly do those look like already used bubbles. He says it's his fault...and he's right.
Can you quote where I said this picture shows severely dysfunctional behavior? I think I got pretty long winded saying the exact opposite. But it is what it is.....
Also, one should be safe than sorry. The problem is that when that philosophy is accompanied by irrational fear things can go sideways. The clue that it's going sideways? When protecting SOME and not ALL potentially innocent people's rights become not only acceptable but the norm. I guaruntee that right now some b@llshyt like racial profiling is being consigned under the banner of "better safe than sorry" all because someone is convinced that darker colored people are more prone to commit crime even though there is evidence to the contrary.
But you seem like your mind was pretty much made up from post 1 so imma bow out here.....
Is the reaction truly appropriate, or is it what we were taught. In the case of this subject matter, because of its severely dysfunctional nature it may be hard to be objective especially for people who have been personally affected by it.
My apologies...you said "nature" not behavior.
I truly understand your point.
This is wrong, wtf was he thinking. What would ever make me consider oh let me take a bath with my grandbaby. He know he stupid for this one. I wonder what the parents are saying about this...hmmmmmmm.. and is this the first time????? For more entertainment check out hairvault.blogspot.com/p/up-dos.html
Most of you people are just too Ignorant on many levels.. I have a Daughter and at the time from she a baby til she 3-4 yrs old i bath her and taught her how to bath herself.. so am i wrong to do that? well In America.. there are so much perverts and young sex offenders in America, where even the slightest posture between a man and a child. we tend to throw up warning flags for bullshit.. I consider if a man is not sexually aroused by his child I believe he has all right to sit in a tub with her or bath her.. thats his child. period